ronald reagan did the same thing from the right. the middle in america governors. it's like a bell curve. most americans are in the middle. you have to appeal to the middle in order to win and then to governor effectively. >> bill, i love it when folks are honest. >> well, yes. he's appealed to the middle and the left and the right and everybody else, mitt romney has. if you want to talk about his position on abortion, he's gotten quite a few of those. >> i'm glad you brought that up. much has been made over that. in fact, the u.s. news and world report put out an excellent piece over the number of different views he's had over his political career. how can we discern what governor romney's actual view on abortion and women's rights, what his actual view is? >> we can't. we can't. they have changed. when he first took office as governor of massachusetts, he said he was pro choice. then he appears to have had a sincere conversion to the pro life side, which he so far has maintained, but he said he's not going to sponsor any legislation to stage the status quo on abo